Running Hot

Yes. Stop having fun, dammit.

why, I had the chance to read the manual and play with Shoes and I find it a work of genius. Perhaps it’s a toy, maybe it’s not a revolutionary piece in the history of computing, but it’s an extremely well conceived DSL for simple, cross-platform desktop applications. In other words it’s good at doing what it’s supposed to do and it’s fun and easy to use. As such, it’s a welcomed addition to the Ruby world. I wish “more serious” toolkits were so well designed and straightforward. Keep doing what you are doing. The Ruby community needs code and inspiring projects, more than endless discussions on who said what.

I just wanna say that I like everybody. _why, Zed, Dave Thomas, DHH , Matz, everybody.

I like mustard.

I like pie.

Antonio Cangiano: Don’t call it a work of genius. An image is called an image. An oval is called an oval. It’s just very basic.

Jeem: Dog pile on Jeem!

Big Jim: No, you like tacos.

it’s ulterior, not alterior. but it’s cool, i still like you…

I like salsa.

I’m sorry to post out of context, but I could not find an email address, contact form or anywhere else on the hackety site to post this.

I was going along with the Tutorial Lesson2B and entered the code from the example:

1. Read the Metafilter feed.
   feed = Web.fetch(“http://xml.metafilter.com/rss.xml”)
   feed.items().reject!() do |item|
   item.description().length() > 200
   end
   puts(feed)

The code produced this error.

Pardon: No items method found.

You tried to use the items method on a 0×205eb6c> object. (The object was: #<String)

So I skipped to the next example and entered the code from the example:

1. Read the Metafilter feed.
   feed = Web.fetch(“http://xml.metafilter.com/rss.xml”)
   puts feed.items()

And it returned this error message.

Whoops! No items method found.

You tried to use the items method on a 0×1f455dc> object. (The object was: #<String)

I just wanted to let you know. If there is a revised version of this tutorial/example, please let me know as I was enjoying it and learning a lot from the first lesson.

Thank you,

Krisha

Zed can be explained succinctly by the image found here

vire7: Much obliged.

infil00p: You like salsa.

Krisha: My email is why@whytheluckystiff.net. I don’t have an answer for you yet, but send me your email address and I’ll get back to you.

Danno: There isn’t much anonymity with Zed. We know who he is, what he has done, etc… I don’t get why people keep trying to label things… put the label machines down. Zed is Zed. Llamas are llamas. Pickle juice smells like pickles.

Somehow Ruby is like one of those words that means something different depending on who you talk to. Ruby is best experienced not described. All of this sound just shows how much more there is to explore with Ruby. I’m not asking people to like it but please do find a way to enjoy things.

Well pahdners… I’m an old timey Ruby guy, but I haven’t been around much in the last couple of years. It’s a shame to see this whole Ruby thing devolve into the most contentious language community out there… well, maybe except for that parenthesis language.

What happened Ruby kids? I mean, Matz is such a nice guy. And _why’s attitude here is great. But beyond those two and a few others, is there anyone not involved in some sort of bar room brawl these days?

Sheez… you go away for a couple of years and then you take a glance back into the Ruby Room and it’s like a huge food fight or something.

What i love in shoes, is prototyping / experimenting / showing off simple stuff. (And having fun).

For that it even has a place in the land of suits, honestly. That is commendable.

This example was a challenge to do in other available / known tools, mainly because we didn’t want it to take several hours. Shoes did it in something like 15 lines:

!http://ra66i.org/tmp/k-means.png

Building that in shoes was delightful, as a mainly profit programmer, I wouldn’t get such an opportunity without it. You could even go so far as to say that shoes brought little coloured dots of fun to our slave ground…

bah. who gives a shit.

why not gazelle parser generator

I heard my named mentioned. What’s up boys?

Krisha:

# Read the Metafilter feed.
feed = Web.fetch("http://xml.metafilter.com/rss.xml", :as => Web::Feed)
feed.items.reject! do |item|
  item.description.length > 200
end
puts(feed)

Note the added second argument for Web.fetch.

I think Shoes and H’ety H are the most subversive things on the Internet (in a really good way). Try Ruby! inspired me to try programming again for the first time since I was a kid. Hackety Hack & the Poignant Guide helped me learn, and I’m writing my first humble programs in Shoes.

Here’s the thing: in a couple of years, thousands of ordinary people all over the world are going to be learning to program. That is going to be fun.

I just wanna say, I find all your stuff freaking amazing. I don’t know if that’s your philosophy, but I see a lot of “shut up and just code” in your things. Never one to be controversial without being productive. Please, never stop to code.

I can’t help but wonder if Shoes hasn’t been an influence on things like MacRuby

Things like:

win = window :frame => [10,20,300,300] # from MacRuby

It may not be Shoes, but I bet the developers of MacRuby have come across shoes before (although thats really a replacement for the ruby-cocoa bridge).

I can’t wait for more languages and API’s to pick up some of the nicer features of ruby.

You can’t just go walking around calling people Hannah this or Montana that. The world doesn’t work that way.

You’ll learn.

shoes running hot … http://blog.fupps.com/2008/11/22/shoes/ …

I remember how things were in the “old days” of Ruby (2001-2003): playing around on ruby-talk when the signal-to-noise was decent, reading RedHanded, just having fun. Before the dark times, before the rise of the Railspire (hehe.)

Now while it is nice being able to make money with Ruby, it seems like something important really is gone. I’m as capitalist as anybody, but it seems commercialization has its dark side.

But I am glad to see _why still doing cool stuff. I spend most of my “open source fun time” on another project, Haiku. But I still have a soft spot for the old days of Ruby.

And personally I find Zed pretty funny and refreshing.

The canker seems to have started about the time people started making money doing Ruby consulting. I think some of the original English-speaking Rubyists saw the people that came wading in and thrashing around like they’d accidentally swallowed a whole goat and bemoaning Ruby’s failure to be the be-all, end-all language of their enterprise dreams as kind of missing out on what made it great fun. And when the moaning got really loud, some people tried to quiet the moaners down, and some of us just went on having fun with Ruby, only quiet-like and in our own back yard instead of out where everyone was getting trampled by moaners.

I can only imagine what it must have looked like to the Japanese. I wish I knew how to read and write Japanese, but sometimes I’m glad I can’t, ‘cause I’d just feel obligated to apologize a lot.